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You could complete this sentence by thinking of what you feel like, is missing within Twine ^_

I will update the list as often as possible:

  • advanced administration and settings
    • ability to add personal replies to message requests
    • ability to choose to limit all or specific comment threads in a public twine to just that twine, instead of the [new] bulk sharing across all public twines. Effectively make some or all of the comment threads 'private' even though the twine and item are public
    • ability to customize messages to members when removing items from a Twine
    • bulk settings for Twine Management and reporting under one page instead of on individual Twines
    • effective member blocking of feeds you are not interested in
    • protection from content deletion eliminating personal contributions
      • access to Twine User Feedback and Suggestions contents
      • single point output of twine contents for off-line access and reporting
        • OPML exportation
    • collaboration tools that allow reorganization of Twine contents
      • ways to group twines into super-categories
      • ways to link bookmarking to twine groups with one selection
  • advanced edition
    • ability to easily link images from outside web locations within a comment with the same kind of tab instead of having to know all sorts of html code
    • style editing capability in comments--bold/italic/color--with function tabs like we have when Adding an Item from within Twine
    • plain text view set to default when editing an existing comment
  • advanced search with queries that show 'understanding'
    • filter searches to include/exclude content that is [only] in private twines
    • functional search with multiple query items at once
    • boolean and conditional operators
    • more real-time search features, like with connections but with items and twines as well
    • saved searches
  • API
    • explicit ontologies
  • bookmarking of videos other than YouTube
  • live chat/realtime conversations on a topic
  • multi-facet presentation of information
    • 3D interface
    • automatic identification of topical subject matter and 'web scanning' to find similar content in other locations outside of Twine
    • built-in translation of foreign language comments and bookmarks
    • comments within a Twine sorted by time-stamp
    • explore new twines with grid view
    • manage contacts on one page instead of 10-at-a-time
    • mark all as read with one button instead of having to go to each twine-feed individually
    • more uniform user experience, less ad-hoc changes and more discrete in terms of boxes
    • realtime streaming of items and comments instead of having to click 'refresh' every time?
    • show only New Items and Twines with New Items instead of having to review entire list
    • ratings and rankings system
      • items ranked by dates
      • items ranked in accordance with their comments / popularity
  • redirections leading users to comments by clicking a link on the Interest Feed page or in the body of a notification message
  • speed of execution

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    • shal shal
      7 months ago


      I'm always looking for such threads ... I'm obviously learning far better from taking knowledge of them!
      Shal's twine

    • Isabelle Ayel Isabelle Ayel
      7 months ago


      Hola, I would start with
      * items ranked by ...dates. The semantic tools are great and make the difference between twine and ...FriendFeed for example but comments, conversations and very hot news are missing in Twine. Perhaps Twine is used like Diigo or Delicious...
      I use it for narrow topics only (no tech, no conversation).
      I visit more often FriendFeed as it is a aggregator of all my feeds and contributions + conversations + Friends' list or list of topic. I know that perhaps I could do list of twines and friends in Twine but no more than 12 or 13h per day !
      Pls Shal begin a list of relevant Twines and will collaborate...a way for me to learn more from Twine ;-)

      • JDP JDP
        7 months ago


        Said that a long time ago - items ranked / sortable not just by date but also by full timestamp. The "X hours" ago doesn't cut it for me (and the calculations - at least in the past - are often delayed or incorrect).

      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        +1 ...

        That reminds me of projects such as Simile helping to visualize events on a timeline.

        Google recently enriched its news services with very similar tools. Events and individuals which are located in space and time, can be retrieved from their position.

        My contributions within FriendFeed comes directly from Twine feeds. It's true that there is a lack of conversation around but paradoxically when discussions start for good, it becomes obvious that something has to be heavily diminishing the social advantages twine should benefit from.

        Isabelle, I will put this list together with pleasure :)

    • JDP JDP
      7 months ago


      IF Twine is truly a "semantic" interface, then I want to see more of that. To wit -
      Semantic tag clouds (understanding and relationship of the meaningful use of "pod", for instance, meaning the vegetative sheath that holds a pea or as a shipping container - whichever is appropriate for the content to which a term has been "attached").
      A search that actually displays targeted and much more exact semantic knowledge, rather than the one that now appears to return "everything including the kitchen sink".
      Inclusion of base ontologies and/or user-built ones, which are visible to and usable by users.

      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        From this additional input, I would add then to the list
        • Explicit operators such as 'NOT', 'OR', 'AND' that can be used in search queries

    • JDP JDP
      7 months ago


      IF Twine is truly a "semantic" interface, then I want to see more of that. To wit -
      Semantic tag clouds (understanding and relationship of the meaningful use of "pod", for instance, meaning the vegetative sheath that holds a pea or as a shipping container - whichever is appropriate for the content to which a term has been "attached").
      A search that actually displays targeted and much more exact semantic knowledge, rather than the one that now appears to return "everything including the kitchen sink".
      Inclusion of base ontologies and/or user-built ones, which are visible to and usable by users.

    • lynn-ecg lynn-ecg
      7 months ago


      excellent question.
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    • Bent Rasmussen Bent Rasmussen
      7 months ago


      - more views besides the list view; where is the grid view, like in windows folders

      - explore new twines w/ grid view... a used to be major exploration feature, no longer there; you can search, but the grid view is faster and requires less paging and this was a major feature for users - including new bewildered users, I think that feature has been enourmously underestimated and has been an enormous loss for users and for Twine as a service, a loss that to this day, appears to be not understood, amazing as that sounds

      - a more uniform user experience, less ad-hoc changes and more discrete in terms of boxes

      - more real-time search features, like with connections but with items and twines as well

      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        I'm looking eargerly forward to seeing a 'cover flow'-like interface being integrated... Ok, It is not exactly forming part of any basic GUI but still committed users should be exigent, shouldn't they? Just have a look at what Cooliris is doing with videos, pictures... There is indeed room for better user experience (and we never forget the factory with RDF, ontologies and stuff under the hood... How could we? However there is maybe still some innovative caching system for the most popular pages to be implemented).

        I assume New twines can not be explored anymore the way you describe because of spamming issues :(

        Last time, I checked a thread of comments from an aggregator, there was a limit of characters per node preventing me from seeing whole items or comments without leaving my favorite feed collector and getting back to Twine (I can imagine the source of stress for the servers if the opposite situation was possible but this would enable users to browse Twine content in offline/mobile mode without missing anything else than some expandable decoration)

        I would add also
        • saved searches
        • OPML exportation for My Twines / My Items

        • Bent Rasmussen Bent Rasmussen
          7 months ago


          The spamming issue is a red herring. It is entirely possible to regulate a stream of new twines and appoint moderators.
          It will of course take some work to put together.

        • Jack D. Logan Jack D. Logan
          7 months ago


          Cover Flow-like UI - Cool! +1

        • Bent Rasmussen Bent Rasmussen
          7 months ago


          "Cover Flow" is not nearly as fast as a flow over covers in a grid. There is a Firefox and Internet Explorer plugin that does this. I forget the name.

          Still, these more ambitious ideas beside, a simple grid view is... for lack of better words... simple. And easy to make.

          Bang for the buck!

    • Jack D. Logan Jack D. Logan
      7 months ago


      I've been feeding items to RN for months and have been summarily ignored. I want high-level views; I want explicit ontologies; I want queries that, like JDP suggests, show 'understanding'; I want the current code to work; I want a 3D interface; I want multiple views of the same information; I want what I had in the late 1980s with extensions of bells and whistles and a sense of wonder and awe that I am being understood, NOW by machines; I want ... -- but, first, I want speed of execution. Right now, I'm more frustrated by slow speed than anything else.

      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        Yes! Machine-readable content ... This was so appealing that I felt straight away into it right after the introduction class of Semantic Web I had at the uni.... As a consequence, I understood that the power of inferences would come as a deep added value and also that first of all, a critical mass of structured has to be produced. In this regard, I can not be more thankful towards RN, Freebase, Calais or Talis for being pioneers on the road.

        Theoretically, a richer interface embedding 3D representation of resources (or not) could be developed on top of an API :)

        • James Todd James Todd
          7 months ago


          /s/theoretically/absolutely/g

          • shal shal
            7 months ago


            Hé hé :) Plain-text navigation mode with javascript disabled might also be missing.

          • Bent Rasmussen Bent Rasmussen
            7 months ago


            Yo James! :-)

            You are quite right on the theoretically, possibly,etc.

            I heard about this Project Knots thing. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Wolfram|Alpha or True Knowledge in any way - there being quite some hot press around these services :-)

            I think UX will drive people to the site and that will in term drive advertisement income. So UX is what meets the user. Features are of course also important but more than anything, having what is there presented in a clear form, with fast access is key. And as part of that I would say the new twine matrix is also key.

            And this will ensure that twine.com will be the primary interface to Twine data, which is probably what you want :-)

            • James Todd James Todd
              7 months ago


              not necessarily. small team, alot to do, some cumbersome ui issues to work through ... are the reasons for the priorities.

              me? my personal interest is in networking apis, etc. so, i feel/share the pain. truly.

              i have an atom/rdf implementation that is 2/3 done that i'd like to pilot. we are trying. put another way, in principal i agree but in spirit, truly, the data, it's structure and access to said data is as important as the user interface ... we just need to get the later nailed down for casual users, which is a daunting task in and of itself.

          • lynn-ecg lynn-ecg
            7 months ago


            hey james - nice to see you here!

            • James Todd James Todd
              7 months ago


              likewise.

              new item detail page is pretty bling. still got a few kinks to work out, but it is progress.

      • wildcat wildcat
        7 months ago


        Jack said: "...but, first, I want speed of execution. Right now, I'm more frustrated by slow speed than anything else." +1
        cant say it better

      • Geoffrey Ames Geoffrey Ames
        7 months ago


        more speed+++

    • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
      7 months ago


      live chat/realtime conversations on a topic

      single point output of twine contents for off-line access and reporting

      collaboration tools that allow reorganization of Twine contents much like shuffling an outline or Table of Contents page for a report

      functional search with multiple query items at once--Advanced Search If/And/Or

      automatic identification of topical subject matter and 'web scanning' to find similar content in other locations outside of Twine

      True administration functionality

      Effective member blocking of feeds you are not interested in

      ratings and rankings system

      protection from content deletion eliminating personal contributions

      access to Twine User Feedback and Suggestions Contents

      ability to customize messages to members when removing items from a Twine

      ability to add personal messages to connection requests

      ability to add personal replies to message requests

      Ways to group twines into super-categories

      ways to link bookmarking to twine groups with one selection

      bookmarking of videos other than YouTube

      search/sort by date added

      Manage contacts on one page instead of 10=at=a=time

      bulk settings for Twine Management and reporting under one page instead of on individual Twines

      Mark All as read with one button instead of having to go to each twine-feed individually

      show only New Items and Twines with New Items instead of having to review entire list
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      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        What filtrbox does could match with the 'web scanning' functionalities.

        What do you mean with "True administration functionality"? I assume some of the other points like 'ability to customize messages to members when removing items from a Twine' can be put underneath but you had maybe alternate thoughts?

        How do you see a better protection from content deletion? Items removed from Twines we don't own privileges for remain in 'My items', right?

        About "ways to link bookmarking to twine groups with one selection", I'm a fierce user of the 'post by email' method.
        I believe that personal Address Books could be automaticaly generated from connections and Twines we joined by applying other kind of filtering rules. Webmails and heavy email clients offer autosuggestion for retrieving recipients. We can bypass some performance and ux issues (when confronted to a more or less extended number of Twines / connections we want to share resources with) by using groups of recipients gathering Twines and Members (who joined the Twines or not).
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        • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
          7 months ago


          @Shal-

          On first question: "True admin. functionality"= the ability to reorganize postings within a Twine beyond just date added--sub groupings, arranging by like topic, eliminating duplication. The ability to selectively trim individual comments within a comment thread that the admin deems unwarranted, off-topic, etc. WITHOUT destroying the remaining comments. Right now we can only carpet bomb and delete a shared item once it gets pollluted. The ability to edit share content by the admin.--fix bad links, reset header descriptions, modify item images, revise item descriptions. Basically full access to all items and elements within your own Twine to clean up as you desire.

          On Question 2: Current system--if someone deletes a Twine, your content is disassociated--your items shared to that Twine are no longer categorized anywhere so they just drop into the massive pile of My Items, with no way to filter them. Any comments you make actually appear on your My Items list, as truncated verbiage, but when you click through that link to locate the actual item, you get a Feeling Frayed message, because your actual item is no longer accessible by the system. Try locating ANYTHING you ever posted or commented on Twine User Feedback and Suggestions in your My Items page and you'll see what I mean.

          @Bent--sometimes it's too late for self-restraint :P
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          • shal shal
            7 months ago


            Thanks and thumb up for all answers! The -Frayed message- is really creepy but I can access specific items in Twine User Feedback ans Suggestions (marked as private) like this one about merging Twines.
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            • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
              7 months ago


              And I get a 404 page when I click that link. If it's an item you bookmarked or a note you submitted, you can see it because it also resides in your My Items list (which is private and why I get the 404). Try searching for one of your comments made on someone else's submission. Those are the things that you can't find...they still exist, somewhere, but because that Twine has been taken Private, and we don't have permission any longer to access it, we can't see even the stuff we put in there--our contributions are trapped behind the great Ball of Twine.
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      • Bent Rasmussen Bent Rasmussen
        7 months ago


        Now trim that list down to 3 things you'd like and you've exercised the art of self-restraint and prioritization ;-)
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    • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
      7 months ago


      a few more:

      realtime streaming of items and comments instead of having to click 'refresh' every time?

      style editing capability in comments--bold/italic/color--with function tabs like we have when Adding an Item from within Twine

      Ability to easily link images from outside web locations within a comment with the same kind of tab instead of having to know all sorts of html code?
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      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        It didn't took much time to FriendFeed for stabilizing realtime streaming and this was integrated by Google Reader probably from the time when it was released the first time.
        I could not insist more on how comfortable it would become for readers ^_
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    • James Todd James Todd
      7 months ago


      re: # bookmarking of videos other than YouTube

      look at this vimeo bookmark:

      http://www.twine.com/item-old/128m97vsq-hd/canon-eos5dmkii-one-night-in-beijing-on-vimeo?cmpId=twit

      note: the "new item page" looks to have some display issues we are working to address:

      http://www.twine.com/item/128m97vsq-hd/canon-eos5dmkii-one-night-in-beijing-on-vimeo?cmpId=twit
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      • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
        7 months ago


        That's cool! Glad Vimeo's on the list at least. I run across a great deal of others regularly--most often on Make Magazine: http://blog.makezine.com/
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        • James Todd James Todd
          7 months ago


          the video extraction logic is extremely generalized at this point in time. that's the good news. the bad news is we need a to, at times, specialize the extraction logic (be it xpath or regex). the good news (always end on a high note) is that the (advanced bookmarklet) is extremely pluggable in this regard. optimally we could get community participation in this type of activity. we're working towards that goal.
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          • Phil Duby Phil Duby
            7 months ago


            Does that apply to other automated processing as well? I usually have 'issues' with what the background process [after BML finished with it] does with physorg.com articles when creating a description. It comes out as a one liner about the [physorg] article ranking. Here is a sample bookmark done by someone else, that did not do the cleanup:

            http://www.twine.com/item/128n5dx6z-1w6/researchers-find-that-the-unexpected-is-a-key-to-human-learning

            Twine is looking at the wrong part of the page to get the description (and tags).
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            • James Todd James Todd
              7 months ago


              the extraction logic i was talking about above is on the front end, the bookmarklet js. it is implemented in jquery and has a nice architecture to vary the entity extraction via plugins that vary their dom inspection based upon the hosting domain.

              now, there is indeed offline analysis as well. user provided data, eg non-default title, description, data ... operative word "non-default" values, are overwritten with values that are often better then the front-end provided defaults. further, the offline analysis does much more extensive document analysis (eg full doc scanning, constructing associated links represented as associated bookmarks, etc).

              i'll take a look at your example in a bit ... this week is a tad bit busy and it's nearly reached the end ... which is both good and bad :)
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              • Phil Duby Phil Duby
                7 months ago


                Thanks James. The problem I see is when the description is left as default in the BML.
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                • James Todd James Todd
                  7 months ago


                  yup ... in that case the async processing tier is granted permission to attempt to find a better description. in most cases it is better then the default provided by the front end. does your example differ from this desired outcome?

                  again, i will try it out in a bit (i copied the message above to my to-do stack) ... just have alot going on atm.
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                  • Phil Duby Phil Duby
                    7 months ago


                    Very much different. The BML default (for that example) is:

                    "The human brain's sensitivity to unexpected outcomes plays a fundamental role in the ability to adapt and learn new behaviors, according to a new study by a team of psychologists and neuroscientists from the University of Pennsylvania."

                    The 'async' result description was:

                    "Rating: 5/5 after 4 votes rank 1 2 3 4 5"

                    with the rank numbers being links back to the site home page.
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          • lynn-ecg lynn-ecg
            7 months ago


            i thought both bmls were pretty much identicl except the ui.
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            • James Todd James Todd
              7 months ago


              the adv bookmarklet has access to the resource's DOM and as such is able to perform specialized entity extraction in order to determine the optimal defaults. aside from that and the bookmarklets ui layout, the lifecycle of a bookmark object is identical.
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      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        Beautiful! Glad you pointed it out! Thanks James!
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      • James Todd James Todd
        7 months ago


        word is the vimeo display on the new and *way* better item-detail page is fixed in the next rev.

        lots of moving pieces ... trending towards the better, imo.
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    • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
      7 months ago


      Here's another couple, shal--And I am running into this quite a bit lately...

      Click a link on the Interest Feed page to take you directly to that comment, instead of just the Twine page where you have to scroll around to try and find who said it and where it was said. Very Difficult when there are more than a few comments I might Add!

      Sort comments within a Twine by time-stamp rather than sequential order--again with a long trail of comments and the propensity that people have for appending comments in-position, and out of order, it is extremely difficult to identify who just added something new, and what they added.
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      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        Having #1 when you come from a notification email would reduce the number of operations as well!
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      • Geoffrey Ames Geoffrey Ames
        6 months ago


        @ Fishy -hey, re: "Twine page where you have to scroll around to try and find who said it and where it was said. Very Difficult when there are more than a few comments I might Add!"

        i've been reading all these comments in no particular order, because i can never find the comment that i was looking for in the first place... you mean it's not just me!?! no wonder i'm five days late reading this stuff!
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    • . .•∞º˙ . .•∞º˙
      7 months ago


      built-in translation of foreign language comments and bookmarks--convert to user's native tongue toggle.
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      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        Exactly, we are confronted to a great deal of cross language heterogeneous content ... I've started to mark my non-English items with the following hashmark in the title: #lang[country_code] ... It may help also on other network sites (I think particularly of twitter here).

        This tedious task should be allocated to machines but before it comes to reality, we have to make content as retrievable as possible in a way or another.

        Being able to cluster content within a single pan of the platform or several Twines by language automatically or going even further as you put it by using translation mechanisms: this is a very exciting perspective!
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      • James Todd James Todd
        7 months ago


        cool. back in the day i wrote a myjxta (p2p irc app) extension to translate chat realtime sitting on top of babblefish (written by my friend henry story who i met years later). tons of skeptics threw cold water on the idea. now that sort of stuff is becoming mainstream ... which ROCKS!
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        • Bent Rasmussen Bent Rasmussen
          6 months ago


          Java guy ;-) ... well understandable - it looks like much of the research in the semantic web happens with Java, right from the beginning with Sergey Melnik creating one of the first open-source RDF implementations, HP's Jena also being Java and Stanford's Protégé as well.

          In the .Net world we see the Oslo stack, a rather different strategy, but also interesting.
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    • shal shal
      7 months ago


      This afternoon, I listened to this podcast about the launch of Twine from the Semantic Web Gang. It's very comforting for me that the general sound coming out of it was that we're just at the very beginning of the journey.
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    • lynn-ecg lynn-ecg
      7 months ago


      all this is great. i want it to work! i'm tired of blue screens, frayed messages, not being able to get to things. i'd be happy just to have it all fixed and working.
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    • Phil Duby Phil Duby
      7 months ago


      Summary: Ability to choose to limit all or specific comment threads in a public twine to just that twine, instead of the [new] bulk sharing across all public twines. Effectively make some or all of the comment threads 'private' [to the twine] even though the twine and item are public.

      Context: I created a narrow focus twine for the RPG ShawdowRun http://www.twine.com/twine/11cywxvdp-4m0/shadowrun-sr4 (cyperpunk, sci-fi context) some time ago. As one of the 'interests' to go with that, I have been sharing items to it for news articles about technology that appears to (in real life) match or lead to the fictional in game technology. Comments on those items (in that twine) are [normally] specific to the RPG context, and would likely be of little interest to those in the other twines that the science, research, and technology news has been shared to. They could even be consider confusing, off-topic, generally 'junk' in those other twines. Allowing the administrator to globally change a setting to mark comments as 'this twine only' would be one solution. Providing posters with the option at the individual item and comment level would be another, with the default setting controlled by a twine administration setting would be another.

      An example is the comment on:
      http://www.twine.com/item/1254qvy2b-20z/electronic-business-card-forges-online-connections-springwise
      which was created before comments shared across twines. That comment will not make any sense, unless you have some background with the terms used in the RPG.

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      • shal shal
        7 months ago


        Added to advanced administration. This could take part in a customizable personal privacy policy proper to a member, his Twines and his connections with underlying privileges for creating, seeing or editing items and comments.
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    • Marcello Cividini Marcello Cividini
      6 months ago


      Many thanks to all for your comments.
      No ideas to develope official Twine search widgets to use in other sites?
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