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Is there a better way to organize Twines? I have a number of personal and public Twines that I want to be able to access quickly. I am suggesting maybe a way to cluster one's Twine collection into sets. For example I have several personal twines for work and for organizing my life and think it would be easier if we could some how organize them in some way.

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Trent

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    • Kurt Laitner Kurt Laitner
      19 months ago


      Mind Map your Twines
      Twine Hacks

    • Irma Vermaat Irma Vermaat
      18 months ago


      My Mindmeister mindmap of Public Twines:Irma: Public Twines
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    • Kurt Laitner Kurt Laitner
      18 months ago


      find the relevant sub topic in the loooong thread
      Structure, Information Visualization, Visualizations and Interface ideas for Twine

    • healthpromotion healthpromotion
      18 months ago


      Some background... In my profession I work with multiple projects, places, people all at the same time... all of these relate to each other on some level. In my view you could say that my work is a really big twine. (Really big). My challenge was how to link all this information in a way that is usable and simple to use and yet can show complex relationships in an easy to understand fashion. I searched for a long time for an application that could accomplish this. The solution I discovered was an application called thinkmap (and no, I do not work for or have any relation to them). They have a related site called visual thesaurus. When I first heard about twine and how it used the semantic web I had thought it would be predicated on this idea of visual representation of the information. However it did not. Basically what you have.. is a thinkmap but shown in the format we are all used to ... folders.. subfolders tags etc. Now I read in a previous post that some people are not able to think in 3D and that mindmaps did just not work. However, my question is this .. if twine is suppose to be a web 3.0 application then why is it thinking on web 2.0 terms? I am not going to argue this point. However... based on my knowledge and experierince the best solution for twine is use an application like Thinkmap to display the twines...(people smarter than me can figure out how to do this) If Twine says that they are web3.0 and they are the semantic web then they need to step into that role completely. If they do that then they can truly revolutionize the web the way people use it. In its current form Twine is not usable to the average user (me), it is a confusing because it thinks one way but shows its information in another. I can think of alot of other ways to say it... but... basically... if you get it.... you get it.... if you don't .. then you won't. All I ask is to look up Thinkmap http://www.thinkmap.com/ and then imagine twine using that format. Think 3D.
      Information Visualization

      • webferret webferret
        18 months ago


        We will continue to do it this way because its always been done this way. Sarcasm

        My bet is that cognitively, most people would prefer visual representation over folders and sub folders. But habitually we have been taught to "feel comfortable" with folders and sub folders. i myself am a strong visual person. things are out there somewhere, i have to grab it visually and bring it in. well we shall SEE
        Information Visualization

    • Kurt Laitner Kurt Laitner
      18 months ago


      the short answer is API - then we can all start showing each other ways to look at twine and some will be successful

      I will eventually find the research on why humans fundamentally don't get 3D information spaces, and post it to this twine (yes yes, the world is 3d I know, its complicated, hence the search for the very interesting research) navigating physical spaces (ie 1st person shooter video games, real world, geo tagged information laid over said real world) benefit greatly from 3D and we can process it, largely by processing 2 dimensions over time and creating depth with our brains.

      Anecdotally then: 3d information spaces have been around forever and yet always only engage small segments of the population, ask why. if the argument is people who get it get it, and those who don't can screw off, then money to fund this operation will dry up fast, it is not a play thing but a mass market app.

      FACT: n-dimensional information spaces EXIST all over the place
      FACT: we cannot think n-dimensionally ALL AT ONCE (perhaps a few freakish mathematics proteges can)
      FACT: we have historically used 2 dimensional spaces to represent multi-dimensional information
      FACT: we are conceptually limited to 3 spatial dimensions plus time (see quantum 4d stuff for examples of using that fully)

      so we need to deal with them and interface them in a way to promote the things you are looking for (usable, simple, surface complexity) and many others - I propose this will be by pursuing maximum dimensional density on a 2 dimensional spatial representation, possibly with time non spatially represented (play a movie showing the changes in an information space)

      If I had the skillz I would rip out a demo of a 2 dimensional representational space browser of n dimensional information space, but for now you will have to read my text description or go research the very badly implemented zigzag project (and related projects) by ted nelson if you are really motivated (did I mention it was badly implemented and ugly). he had a bead on the solution many years ago but failed to execute.

      folders are dead, period. any attempt to retain them as a viable strategy for information management is futile. folders in their traditional hierarchical tree model allow for a more specific - more general path only - this is only useful for browsing a single dimension of the information space.

      the information is in an n-dimensional complex graph, we need new interfacing approaches to deal with this and I will go way out on a limb and say it isn't going to be 3D for a number of reasons, the research I can't find above, and the lack of 3D manipulation tools on each and every desktop are only two of them. Finally while 3d +t is the theoretical maximum it doesn't come close to representing the n-dimensionality of the data, so in both cases (2d+t and 3d+t) we are looking at woefully inadequate tools for expressiveness.
      Information Visualization

    • airtrent airtrent
      18 months ago


      Twining twines into multi-twines and knotting twines into twinetons and megatwines can all be discussed here:
      The Organizing Twines Twine
      http://www.twine.com/twine/organizing-twines
      Twine Hacks
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